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  Why has God allowed this to go on for so long

  by watersprout in

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  why has god allowed this system to go on for soo long?

  he's god he doesn't need to prove anything to anyone!

  why have the billions that have lived on this earth had to suffer for what two people did in eden?.

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  He's just like me. We are on CP time. Proof positive that God, or his son, are not white.

  My peeps know about CP time.

  Disclaimer: This is NOT WBTS coded or trademarked language. If ya don't know, ya better ask somebody, ya heard!!

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  Most Ridiculous Thing You've Ever Been Counseled On

  by MrFreeze in

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  i'm sure topics like this have already come up but they tend to get hilarious with the absolute absurdity that goes on in the kh.

  i was once counseled for not shaving after two days.

  i was also counseled by a sister for eating lucky charms cereal.

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  I forget where, but the NWT, written by the WTBS, translates a scripture to say "scummy dross." The horror!!

  Anyone remember that? I wonder what that pickle head of a CO would've thought if you brought that up?!

  Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

  CoC
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  Most JW's are Concerned with Position/Appearance - Not Serving God

  by flipper in

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  being raised in the jehovah's witnesses for 44 years ( exited 7 years ago ) - i observed many different variables that made each witness tick or operate.

  but one of the most common variables was witnesses wanting to excel in progressing to positions becoming elders, ministerial servants, or pioneers because then and only then would they be looked at as allegedly " spiritual " or closer to jehovah.

  but i learned as years went by that having a " position " in the congregation didn't make a person anymore " spiritual " or closer to god than witnesses who were not in appointed positions.. myself- having been appointed a ministerial servant at the tender baby age of 20 yrs.

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  flipper- Did any of you have pressure to excel and did you finally come to grips with these pressures ? Did JW family pressure you, or you feel pressured to PROVE your loyalty to God or the WT society by others ?

  Feels like time for some personal expression

  I was given many positive "shoves" in the right direction. I've been a servant since I was 18. (I've just given some personal information of myself. Uh-oh.) I enjoyed the attention, but only in the sense that it felt good to make others happy that I was advancing. They noticed it and their encouraging words filled me with joy to serve Jehovah. "You are going to be a good elder one day" was often said. I may not care to admit it now, but many caring brothers took me under their "loving" wings. I don't doubt their sincerity. And I never questioned much because I was so young. I just did things. I thought I was supposed to, to make God happy.

  For years this continued. And the encouragement and privileges I received fueled me. This train couldn't be stopped. I never saw myself as coming to a stop. In fact, I often strived to be that crowbar that would pry my weak friends into action. How could I fail?

  But time spoke to me and made me realize that these advancements, while at times in sincerity were my own desires, belonged to those around me, and their hopes. This is what they wanted from me. And so I continued filling my every minute with spiritual activity.

  But as I advanced in some years, mentally I halted. I came to grips with what I was really doing - pleasing men. Alas (dramatic huh? ) I reached a point of no return of which I now offer thanks - burnout. My eyes opened. And the things that didn't make sense in doubt were now moved to having no sense for certain.

  In realizing that I became a man pleaser I can now say that yes I felt the pressure. But I thought it was right. I now know it is not and am strategically planning how to step down from this man made position of MS.

  Outward appearance is what is looked at and that is fact. Holy sprit is NOT involved. Otherwise people wouldn't still be making false predictions about my "bright, spiritual future". Oh BTW - great topic!!

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  Colchester, CT?

  by new light in

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  has anyone here ever been affiliated with this congregation?

  i have..

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  I know someone who's ex-wife was from there. And I myself may have been in the same circuit. I didn't live terribly far from there.
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  To all of you who continue to "cover your tracks" and are still in ((HUGS))

  by Lady Liberty in

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  dear friends,.

  there are so many here with circumstances that will not allow them to leave the borg, and who week after week have to put on a show, and go to the meetings and service, that i just wanted to send you a big (((hug)) for hangng in there.. though each situation is no doubt different, one thing most likely the same..you would leave if you could,, and you have to endure all the things being taught each week, that you have come to learn are lies!

  but we are glad you are here!!

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  I'm in the same boat as MrFreeze right now. But at least my mind is disconnected from the nonsense.
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  If You Were Ever An Elder...

  by Henry in

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  what about the responsibility of being an elder did you dislike the most?

  i served from september 2003 - june 2006. there were two things that bugged me the most the first was i got sick of the bickering amongst the body.

  we had 7 elders and in nearly every situation, big or small, there was some division that got personal.

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  Wow! I'm a MS yet I can agree with a lot of the things miseryloveselders says. Although I feel different though in that if I had been appointed an elder at some point last year, I probably would have continued "faithful" and my discovering the truth about the troof would have been delayed. I already had doubts so discovery was inevitable. But I felt like I could put things aside and being appointed an elder would show Jehovah's "blessing" (TM) and "spiritual growth and maturity" (TM) on my part. I felt I was ready but not qualified. Isn't that what Jehovah wants?

  But now I am glad I wasn't asked to be an elder. I think it would've been a bigger chain to remove from myself. It's bad enough having to trod around like a faithful servant when I don't give a crap anymore.

  WOW! That last line will really piss off the apologists and trolls!
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  To all of you who continue to "cover your tracks" and are still in ((HUGS))

  by Lady Liberty in

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  dear friends,.

  there are so many here with circumstances that will not allow them to leave the borg, and who week after week have to put on a show, and go to the meetings and service, that i just wanted to send you a big (((hug)) for hangng in there.. though each situation is no doubt different, one thing most likely the same..you would leave if you could,, and you have to endure all the things being taught each week, that you have come to learn are lies!

  but we are glad you are here!!

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  Good read. Let's bring it back.
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  If You Were Ever An Elder...

  by Henry in

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  what about the responsibility of being an elder did you dislike the most?

  i served from september 2003 - june 2006. there were two things that bugged me the most the first was i got sick of the bickering amongst the body.

  we had 7 elders and in nearly every situation, big or small, there was some division that got personal.

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  Let's ressurect this thread. Any newbie posting elders/ex-elders?
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  JW's: Did You Tattle-Tale To The Elders When You Heard Things?

  by mentallyfree31 in

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  just curious...how many of you went to the elders and reported to them things that you heard through gossip?

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  and how many of you knew things that could get people disfellowshipped, but decided not to tell the elders?.

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  Never tattle-taled when I heard things. But I did tattle-tale on 2 things I saw just because I thought I had to. I even threatened my brother with going to the elders about something if he didn't do it.

  How stupid I was! I'm glad I woke up. Never again!
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-27-10 WT Study (THE CHRIST)

  by blondie in

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  for gods service.

  or to allow our zeal for gods service to diminish.. (heb.

  gods service?

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  11 To illustrate the importance of being

  zealous in God’s service, note an event that

  took place in the life of King Jehoash of Israel.

  Concerned over the apparent fate of Israel

  at the hands of Syria, Jehoash came weeping

  to Elisha. The prophet instructed him to

  shoot an arrow out the window toward Syria,

  indicating victory by Jehovah’s hand

  against that nation. This certainly should

  have invigorated the king. Elisha next told

  Jehoash to take his arrows and strike the

  earth with them. Jehoash struck the earth

  three times. Elisha was incensed at this, for

  striking the earth five or six times would

  have indicated “striking down Syria to the

  finishing point.” Now Jehoash would enjoy

  only three partial victories. Because he acted

  with a lack of zeal, Jehoash experienced limited

  success. (2 Kings 13:14-19) What lesson can we learn

  from that account? Jehovah will abundantly bless us only if

  we do his work wholeheartedly and with zeal.

  COMMENTS

  OT—Jehoash

  So how would he have known that 3 was not as good as 5 or 6 or perhaps 7 or 9?

  You hit the nail on the head with this comment! I was thinking along the lines of, how can they have the audacity to assume this man lost his zeal or wasn't zealous enough? Were they there? Since they speculated, let me take a try at it.

  How do we know this man wasn't confused or afraid to request simply, "How many there, baldy? You are going to have to be a little clearer than that! "

  Oh no! Their speculation is always correct. Yet we are regularly counseled on inserting our own opinion when explaining a scripture.

  Dammit! I just became guilty of it! I have opinions! AAAAAGGGHHH!